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Dragon and Insect ID's Please

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8:36 am
July 15, 2011


Simon Horsnall

Ilkeston, Derbyshire

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I think Megachile and Osmia were once considered one and the same genus.  Then some guy comes along with some fancy equipment and decides that there is a small difference in the mitochondrial DNA which proves that its mother's auntie's hamster came from the next village and so they can't possibly be the same.

Rant about molecular geneticists over.  Like I say many insects (outside butterflies, dragonflies and the like) are impossible to tell from photographs.  I've not touched bees yet but have started looking at some groups of flies (Calliphoridae and Syrphidae primarily).  Working through the identification often requires views of the wing venation (possible) and the side of the thorax (possible).  However, perhaps somebody could show me a photograph with both.  And that is before genital dets.

Simon

11:06 pm
July 13, 2011


ChrisLuv

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I can't help except to say that the iSpot website is very useful – ispot.org.uk, add the photo and some they have some proper experts on there who may help (thats taking nothing away from Paul and Simon who have done a far better job than I could below). I can't help agreeing with Simon thats its a solitary bee – not a bumble – however Osmia doesn't look right. A glance over the net told me it could be a megachile centucularis, leaf cutter, any thoughts:

 

http://www.google.co.uk/search…..mp;bih=757

3:24 pm
July 12, 2011


Simon Horsnall

Ilkeston, Derbyshire

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I'll defer to Paul on the Dragon.  I was writing quickly and going on first impressions. 

Looking at it in the cold light of day (not 5.30 am) I would say your bee is Osmia leaiana.  However, do not quote as there are several similar species (notably O. caerulescens, the identification feature being a semicircular notch on tergite 6).  It does not look right for a bumble.  Searching the net for a reliable ID is a frustrating and often impossible task.  Coupled with most insects being unidentifiable from photographs alone however good, does not make for a pretty picture I'm afraid. 

Great photographs though.

Simon

8:31 am
July 12, 2011


lammie

Ilkeston

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Thanks for the info Simon and Paul. I've been looking at various bee sites on the internet and came upon this Natural History Museum site below (looks quite an interesting site for nature ID'ing) . Do you think it could be the early-nesting bumlebee (queen worker) looking at the info they give.

 

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/research-…..lapidarius

6:43 pm
July 11, 2011


PaulS

Kirk Hallam

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I think the dragon is a common darter. The dark patches on the 9th & 10th abdominal sections are condusive to the species.

The third looks like a Bee.

That's about as far I my knowledge stretches.

Paul

4:35 am
July 10, 2011


Simon Horsnall

Ilkeston, Derbyshire

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I will confidently assert that the first two are Episyrphus balteatus, a common species of hoverfly which is distinctive in having double abdominal bands.  The third I've no idea and the fourth I would say is a teneral Southern Hawker.

 

Simon

8:16 pm
July 9, 2011


lammie

Ilkeston

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Anyone ID these for me please.

 

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/lammieram/Insects/_MG_5808.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/lammieram/Insects/_MG_5832.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/lammieram/Insects/_MG_5822.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g159/lammieram/Insects/_MG_5766.jpg

 

Could the first two be some sort of Hoverfly (both same insect), don't know what the third is also the dragon.

Thanks

Don

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  1. Avatar of mick c mick c says:

    hi simon sorry i have not got back to you the geneorator is out on loan its down south his dad took it on holiday in the caravan he uses it for the van as there id no elictric on site he wont be back for another 3 weeks so thats a no no for that shame about it just hope it works when he gets it down there ,, im up to the neck decorating but hope to be finished in a bit what date was the moth night will try and get as things have got a bit ectic this end went on that donkins site for the tubes there pretty cheap think there about £2 some think for a pack of ten i might have read it wrong i only want a couple just for ladybirde flys or small insects
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