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8:33 am
November 9, 2010


Simon Horsnall

Ilkeston, Derbyshire

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Not at all Paul.  I don't know the first thing about photography.

 

Simon

7:01 pm
November 8, 2010


PaulS

Kirk Hallam

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Hi Dallas. Hope you don't mind me jumping in on this but I'm a bit of a keen wildlife photographer so might be able to contribute something to this. One thing to bear in mind is magnification. Depending on which eyepiece you get to go on your scope (I've got the 20-60x HDF on my ES80 GA ED and it's brilliant) you'll get up to 60x mag. With a really long telephoto lens on your camera you'll only get around 12x mag, which is probably around what you'll get with bins. The downside of a long lens on your camera is to get consistantly good results you'll need to shell out a few thousand pound on a decent lens. My photographic rig consists of a Nikon D300, 300mm F2.8 lens and a 1.7x converter, amounting to about 10x mag. This is probably top end of middle of the road wildlife imagining and costs around £7000. If you look in the latest photos gallery on the site you'll see the results I get with this setup as I think all the shots in there are mine.

Digiscoping is a viable alternative but bear in mind it does have a few limitations. Firstly, you said about buying a cheap camera. This alone will reduce the quality of you're images. Most of the better digiscoped images are taken in conjunction with a decent camera. It's the sensor quality that decides the final image quality and this is an area manufacturers cut costs on when producing cheaper cameras. Have a look on the Opticron website. They have a page dedicated to digiscoping. Also, because of the magnification used on digiscoping you are very prone to camera shake. Most digiscopers use a cable release or remote to press the shutter to reduce this and again it's only more expensive cameras that generally have this feature. Light is a big factor too with digiscoping. Forget getting anything decent if its anything less than full shunshine. The amount of light entering the scope is greatly reduced when attached to a camera so on dull day your shutter speeds will be so slow all or most of the shots will be blurred. Having said all this if the conditions are right you can get reasonable images digiscoping. At present I don't know any pro wildlife photographers who use digiscoped images. If the images were as good as a cameras they would be the first too believe you me!

Have a good think as to what you'll be doing the most, watching or photographing and make you're choice based on this. Unless you're like me and you intend to sell your images or have them used in mags I'd go for the scope and get a decent second hand camera to attach to it. What scope have you got in mind by the way. I've got the one mentioned above and a GS815. I'd reccomend both.

Simon, hope you don't mind me rambling on. I love sharing knowledge on wildlife watching and photography and if I can help anyone to enjoy it more I'll definitely do my best to do so.

 

Cheers

Paul

1:10 pm
November 8, 2010


Dallas

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Simon Horsnall said:

I've not seen the programme, will watch it on iPlayer when I get chance.  I do not class myself as a twitcher, I won't travel any more than 30 – 45 minutes to see a rare bird.  I've been looking for a new dimension to my birding for some time though.  I thought about photography but I have no artistic flair so have settled into trying to find my own scarcities.  So far the list only really includes waxwing and med gull but… 

Paul, how close are you to triple figures?  This year I hit my 200th British bird (wryneck) and I would be disappointed with a year list of under 100 (2009: 136, 2008: 101, 2007: 103, 2006: 113, 2005: 111, currently 141, worst year 2001 with exactly 100).  If you let me have your life list I will try to find a way of getting you over the line.  I can't understand some birders' attitudes of "my bird".  I take great pleasure in pointing out birds to other people.

Regards

Simon

 

Simon

I 'm torn at the moment of getting a scope then attaching a cheap camera (to digiscope) or buying a canon EOS plus a zoom lens and use my bins.

Any advice on scope or camera ? I have about £500-£600, hopefully.Seen the Opticron scope I prefer and the canon aswell!

Good to read your posts . I have seen the programmes in question and also thought the twithchers were Mad ! Seems one of the guys just had a collecting mania and didn't really appreciate the wildlife ,just getting a tick on a list wheter it was airplanes, trains, birds , it didn't matter

Kingdoms birds shows how you don't have to drive 14 hours to see wildlife, really liked the roosting wrens feature.

Dark nights are cutting short my time birdwatching so I will have to try a few early mornings before work

Cheers

Dallas

 


10:11 pm
November 2, 2010


Simon Horsnall

Ilkeston, Derbyshire

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posts 106

I'm envious of the Arctic Warbler, although I don't get too excited about "Sibes".  Otters sound fantastic, one day.  I do agree about people rushing past the common birds to get to the rarities.  How many birdershave admired the colours on a pochard's bill.  Only by studying the commoner birds are you going to pick up the subtelties which enable you to pick up the rarities.  It was how I picked up a couple of Pink-footed Geese.  No idea what made me stop to look at those greylags, and the same with Turtle Dove.

Let's organise another outing now the birding has picked up.  Feel really guilty I couldn't make the last one.  A late realisation that it clashed with another engagement. 

Simon

7:34 pm
November 2, 2010


PaulS

Kirk Hallam

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Hi Simon. I wouldn't really consider myself a dedicated twitcher or a birder and if got anywhere near 200 like you have I'd be well pleased. I'm fascinated by all wildlife. Birds, mammals, insects, you name it and I'll try and see it or even better photograph it. When the Great Reed Warbler was knocking around Straws Bridge I spent the morning watching House Martins collecting mud from a small puddle. Absolutely amazing to see and a little sad so many folks just walked past without a second glance. And I still got to see and photograph the bird the following day!

I do keep a list of all the stuff I've seen this year and birds actually tally up to 127 so I guess that's not too bad. Apart from the Great Reed Warbler the rarest things I've seen this year has been Arctic Warbler and Spoonbills. My real highlight this year has been watching Otters. I've actually seen two this year, both in Norfolk I'm afraid. I've done some water for wildlife survey work for Derbyshire Wildlife Trust and found some spraint and footprints on the Dove but that's all locally.

You mentioned photography but say you've got no flair. I'll bet you have really. It's mostly knowing about light and composition. If you need any pointers let me know. You can tell me how to improve my birding and I'll improve your photographyLaugh

Paul

8:46 am
November 2, 2010


Simon Horsnall

Ilkeston, Derbyshire

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posts 106

I've not seen the programme, will watch it on iPlayer when I get chance.  I do not class myself as a twitcher, I won't travel any more than 30 – 45 minutes to see a rare bird.  I've been looking for a new dimension to my birding for some time though.  I thought about photography but I have no artistic flair so have settled into trying to find my own scarcities.  So far the list only really includes waxwing and med gull but… 

Paul, how close are you to triple figures?  This year I hit my 200th British bird (wryneck) and I would be disappointed with a year list of under 100 (2009: 136, 2008: 101, 2007: 103, 2006: 113, 2005: 111, currently 141, worst year 2001 with exactly 100).  If you let me have your life list I will try to find a way of getting you over the line.  I can't understand some birders' attitudes of "my bird".  I take great pleasure in pointing out birds to other people.

Regards

Simon

10:22 pm
November 1, 2010


PaulS

Kirk Hallam

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posts 182

Twitchers. A very British Obsession.

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. I love watching wildlife but driving 16 hours just to see a bird does seem a bit nuts. You're obvously exempt from the driving whilst using a mobile laws thoughLaugh. Never the mind the cost of the trips. £200-£300 for the trip must be inconsequential compared to the cost of some of those scopes. Didn't see anything less than a Carl Ziess.

I do know a guy who is as obsesive as some on the program. He's even been known to hire a private plane to fly to Orkney before now!!

I'll stick to the 1/2hr drive to Drakelow with my Opticron ES80 and some home made soup and try and get my life list up into triple figuresWink

9:01 pm
November 1, 2010


ChrisLuv

Admin

posts 264

Maybe it can be a new feature for the site Laugh I must admit though unless I heard about it on another forum I'd never have seen it, we barely venture off BBC 1 and 2, I don't think BBC 4 has been on my tv.

They're all added to the Recording list for this week.

8:32 pm
November 1, 2010


PaulS

Kirk Hallam

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posts 182

You could have let us know sooner. I could have saved 49p on "whats on TV" Laugh

7:50 pm
November 1, 2010


ChrisLuv

Admin

posts 264

The schedule for tonight (1 November) on BBC4 is:

21:00 Twitchers: A Very British Obsession
22:00 Natural World: Cuckoo
22:50 Why Birds Sing

Then on Wednesday (3 November):

20:30 Johnny Kingdom's Year with Birds
21:00 Birds Britannia

All well worth watching I think. They should be repeated at various intervals through the week.

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